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A different view of the 12 steps...
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"A Humanist Alternative to A.A.'s 12 Steps" by B. F. Skinner (Harvard University Scientist) From July/August 1987 Humanist Magazine.

1. We accept the fact that all of our efforts to stop drinking have failed.

2. We believe that we must turn elsewhere for help.

3. We turn to our fellow men and women, particularly those who have struggled with the same problem.

4. We have made a list of the situations in which we are most likely to drink.

5. We ask our friends to help us avoid those situations.

6. We are ready to accept the help they give us.

7. We earnestly hope that they will help.

8. We have made a list of the persons we have harmed and to whom we hope to make amends.

9. We shall do all we can to make amends, in any way which will not cause further harm.

10. We will continue to make such list and revise them as needed.

11. We appreciate what our friends have done and are doing to help us.

12. We, in turn, are ready to help others who may come to us in the same way.


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"We turn to our fellow men and women, particularly those who have struggled with the same problem."

hmm... nope... that wouldnt have helped me a bit. Probably no human power could have relieved my obsession to drink.

Very interesting to see how they approached it. Thanks Phil.


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Thats just fellowship, which is okay if all you want/need to do is stop.

Got to tell you though when i was reading it i was thinking but there is no god in there lol when i first came around i thought there is alot of god in therebiggrin

Personally i need/want the spiritual solution.

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Howdy....

Yup..I agree with you both..:)

I do see...how these steps could be used for Agnostics...in the program....and I do know quite a few that are...and do that...

I think that I would have got sober a lot younger...if I hadnt of walked out the door...every time I heard the word God...

Used the fellowship as a Higher Power for a long time...and that has since changed to spiritual..also...

Have a great day ehhhh..:)



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