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I with no patience could not get back into this room so the person I am said forget it.


How does one get patience if u werent born with it can u get patience? I have struggled


with that for a long time.  I would appreciate some replys.  Thanks Busbe :



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I am a horribly impatient person. Not as bad as I was, but still alot of room for improvement.


I found that the root of my impatience stems from expectations. Whether it was people, places, things or myself, I had a preconceived expectation of how they/me should be or act. I set standards so high that it was inevitable that I would be let down. And then impatience would spring into life. Now, now now, my way or the highway. Talk about a set up for failure!


So, I have found, that when I begin to get impatient, I mentally sit myself down and say " let it be what it will be" or "they will be", whichever. It's all about control issues for me. The only one that really suffers from my impatience is myself. Believe me, it doesn't bother the mailman a bit that I'm tapping my foot waiting for that letter, that phone call, or an immediate answer to my question. I think Paul McCartney had it right. " Let it be". Then a big sigh.....after all, I already know that nobody is going to be the way I've already planned for them to be. LOL,  Wren



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Thanks Wren I needed that reminder LET IT BE very good   Thanx Busbe

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Patience is the ability to: Sit back and wait for an expected outcome without experiencing anxiety, tension, or frustration. Let go of your need for immediate gratification. Display tolerance, compassion, understanding, and acceptance toward those who are slower than you in developing maturity, emotional freedom, and coping abilities. Accept your human frailty in the pursuit of personal, physical, emotional, and spiritual growth. Accept the set backs and reversals inevitable in your quest for personal growth. Believe in the concepts of permanence and commitment. Be calm and considerate as you handle the growth issues in your committed relationships in marriage, family, career, community, or church. Hang on to a relationship when trouble arises that may take some time to resolve. Feel peace, contentment, and satisfaction that you are on the path to recovery and personal growth. Temper your enthusiasm, energy, exuberance, and excitement after you have experienced a renewal of spirit, received revelations or insights. Accept the non-enthusiastic reception of others to share in your ``new found truths.'' Accept that there is no need to rush yourself or others in facing the challenges of emotional growth. See that overnight reformations are rarely long lasting; gradual change and growth have a greater durability. Feel relaxed, calm, and placid as you face your daily schedule and the challenges it presents.Believe that your day to day efforts, sacrifices, and changes are building a new edifice of a whole person with healthy self-esteem.


What are some negative consequences of impatience?


By being impatient you can: Run the risk of always being dissatisfied, upset, and angry at yourself for your slow pace of growth and change. Easily lose your control and fire off outbursts of anger, temper, and blame on those who are slow to change and grow. Become a member of the ``throw away'' generation, discarding relationships, people, jobs, and school whenever things are not working out as quickly as you want them to. Waste energy worrying about how slow things are changing instead of directing that energy toward the changes you desire. Withdraw prematurely from a helping situation because you are not seeing an immediate pay off for your efforts.Turn off the others in your life who want to support you, but whom you offend by accusing them (when change is slow) of ``not helping you enough.''Sacrifice friendships and relationships prematurely because the other person is not changing as quickly or as thoroughly as you desire. Ignore all of the positive gains you and others have made on the road to recovery and growth, only concentrating on what has not yet been accomplished. Become pessimistic about life, seeing only the ``half empty cup'' rather than the ``half filled cup.'' Be in such a hurry that you neglect to count your blessings and see how far you have come.Burn yourself out in the pursuit of your goals. Lose the ability to reward or reinforce any level of success or attainment, discouraging yourself and others in the pursuit of recovery and growth. Lose the ability to take a large goal and break it down into manageable increments. Become overwhelmed by the large tasks ahead of you and lose the hope and motivation to keep on trying.


How do people respond to impatience in others?


When you are impatient with yourself and your rate of personal growth, others may: Remind you of your current progress. Try to help you refocus on the positive gains you have made. Try to help you reset your goals to be more realistic. Remind you that you are a human being, thus subject to setbacks, relapses, and error. Try to encourage you to take ``one day at a time.'' Get angry with you for being so hard on yourself. Get discouraged with supporting you since you always seem to ignore them. Get confused by your pessimism since they are encouraged by the progress they see. Reject and turn their back on you because your negativity and pessimism affects too low in their personal struggles to grow and change. Insist that you get professional help as a condition of their involvement with you.


When you are impatient with other people's rate of growth and change, they may: Remind you that they have made progress and are trying. Focus on the positive steps they have made in growing and changing. Point out how they have set realistic short term goals and objectives in the path toward larger goals of growth and change. Remind you that as humans they have the right to experience setbacks, relapses, and errors on the way to change. Remind you that they believe in the attitude of rewarding yourself by living each day to the fullest and taking ``one day at a time.'' Get angry with you for being so hard on them and end their efforts to grow. Get discouraged or pessimistic about their progress in the face of your lack of support and give up. Reject or abandon you because you are too negative, pessimistic, demanding, blaming, and directive toward them, which brings them ``too low'' in their struggles with growth and change. Attack you for your lack of support, lack of caring, lack of understanding, lack of humanity, and lack of respect.


How do you feel when you are impatient? irritated agitated ignored frustrated resentful forgotten anxious burned out misdirected tense over stressed misunderstood nervous ill tempered over responsible


What are some beliefs of people who lack patience?I should be able to do this faster and better than what I am. They should understand me the first time and not need me to repeat myself. Why should it take so long and so much effort to change and grow? I have so much to accomplish I'll never be able to do it all. There is no way that I can ever be helped to change. I am an impossible case. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Why is it that everyone I come in contact with chooses the wrong way? Why can't they change quicker than what they are? Why can't the institutions keep up with the rate and pace of change of its members? All people should be as excited about the desire to grow and change as I am. If I can change and grow, you should be equally changing and growing. I want this done yesterday. It makes no difference how far along I am if I have not accomplished my target goals. I can't stand such things as diets, counseling, physical therapy, allergy desensitization, and orthodontics; they all take too long before results are visible. I would rather get a job now than go through four years of college. That way I can make more money in my lifetime. I am trying to change, but you keep on falling back into your old habits; that must mean you aren't trying as hard as I am. Every time I have a setback or a relapse I get mad at myself for taking so long to grow and change. I can't stand things being out of order. It makes me nervous and upset with such disarray. I must be perfect so you must be perfect; if we are not, it must be because we don't want it to work out. There I go again, falling back into my old habits just when I thought I had them licked. This isn't the way it is supposed to be. I could never accomplish my goal of growth and change, so there is no use in even getting started.


What new behavioral traits are needed for patience to develop in your life?


To increase your level of patience you need to:


Develop a consistent philosophy of life. Take life one day at a time. Consider each day a gift of life that will allow you to get one step closer to your goal of growth and change.


Accept the reality of your humanity in that you are going to need time, effort, and energy to change and grow. You will experience some resistance to altering long standing, habitual ways of acting, reacting, and believing.


Reframe your perspective on the past, present, and future. Do not dwell on your past mistakes and failings. Do not worry about what you will become or how you will act in the future. Begin to live each new day as a fresh start.


Break larger goals down into components that are short term goals and objectives, more realistically attainable in the immediate future.


Be systematic in planning your path to recovery and growth.


Accept, understand, and forgive yourself for being fragile, imperfect, and weak. You need to become your own best friend and cheerleader. Love yourself.


Wake up to the realities of life around you. Everyone with whom you come in contact is busy working through their own struggles, weaknesses, setbacks, relapses, crises, and obstacles to their personal growth and recovery. All of us are on the path to personal growth. There is no one exempt from this journey. It takes a lifetime to complete.


Hand over and let go of the worries, concerns, anxieties, and doubts about attaining your goal.


Confront your fears about attaining your goal. Remember, the world was not created in a day. Beautiful symphonies, works of art, and literary masterpieces were not created in a day. A lifetime is not lived in a day.


Modify your spiritual perspective to include your God as a guide on this journey. Be ready and willing to face challenges as you strive for personal growth.



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Howdy Busbe..its been a long time....ehh??


Is that last post..long enough....do you have the patience to read it? (smiling)


Welcome back....



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Welcome back Busbe....How's the husband and retirement?   How are you?


Patience for me is another let go and let God thing. Everytime I try hurry things along, I get in the way.


(((Hugs)))


GammyRose



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hi, busbe,,,  how are you? 


the topic of patience is a good one,,, thank you.


As a child my family had no patience,,  I had really no concept of the word. My parents wanted what they wanted when they wanted it,, and would have tempers if they didn't get it. Same with us kids. One of the first things that happened in my recovery was that God gave me the verse 1 Cor 13....  Love is patient..   I had read it many times before, but this time it really stood out as something that was important.


I think it is human nature to want what we wwant when we want it, simple as that..  and things just feel sooooo urgent. Like kids...  like teens....  "I just have to have that!"  And my father's pressuring me. To delay gratification feels terrible. and that carries over to our drinking..   "I just have to have a drink right now... I can't stand it another minute"


I think the concept of delaying a drink for one more day is an exercise in patience right there. and the 'this too shall pass' concept is also a practice in patience. AA talks about our self will and instinctual desires being out of whack.  We have to learn to be good parents to our selves.  Gently but firmly disciplining ourselves.  "I really want that right now, but .....   I have to wait...  or, I have to accept that it is not good for me to have that... or, this person can't be all that I want and need and it doesn't do any good to get upset.


It is said that patience is only learned in adversity. If we do demand and get what we want right away there is no patience involved. Patience is learned as an alternative to frustration reactions, eh?


I'm still working on it...  got to be patient with my own progress.


love in recovery,


amanda



-- Edited by amanda2u2 at 21:11, 2006-03-10

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I had to pray for it. I didn't know how to pray. I found prayers in the literature of AA. I prayed them. I do it automatically now, (pray for the patience...) Eventually it works. And living is so much more enjoyable. -paul

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I have found that my mother's saying is true.


"The faster I go, the more behind I get."


Later Jeannie  



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Phil


It was rough but I made it thru. Thanks for your help always appreciated Take care Busbe



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TO MY FRIENDS


I GUESS I BETTER BE HONEST IN WHAT MY INPATIENCE IS REALLY ABOUT TODAY. MY


HUSBAND IS UP FOR A YEAR JOB AT PALO VERDE NUCLEAR PLANT IT WOULD SURE HELP


US WITH RETIREMENT WELL HE GOT A PHONE INTERVIEW 2 WEEKS AGO THE GUY ASKED


MY HUSBAND IF THE COMPANY HE IS GOING THRU HAD HIS RESUME WHICH THEY DO


AND ALSO THEY WANTED SOMEONE OUT THERE AS SOON AS THEY COULD GET ON THE


PLANT. THE RECRUITER HAS TOLD MY HUSBAND THAT HE HASNT HEARD ANYTHING EITHER


SO HERE WE SIT. ITS SO AGGRAVATING MY HUSBAND WANTS TO GET BACK TO WORK


AND NOONE IS COOPERATING WITH US. I START THE DAY WITH OH HE WILL GET A CALL


TODAY AND THEN IT DOESNT COME IN SO THAT STARTS THE ANXIETY. I HAVE BEEN


TELLING MYSELF IF GOD WANTS HIM TO HAVE IT HE WILL HAVE BUT THEN THAT FEELING


DOESNT LAST LONG. OH DEAR THE EVERYDAY LIFE OF US WORKING PEOPLE  HO HUM


BUSBE



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