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Hello to everyone.

My name is John.  I am an attorney in New York City.  As of Sunday, I am a recovering alcoholic.

I don't know exactly how this is supposed to go, so I will tell my story.  I began drinking at 16, and am not sure when exactly things became out of control.  I always had, and still did have, even at the time of my moment of clarity, the ability to simply abstain from alcohol.  In fact, for several months, I have made a point of not drinking at all during the week in order to help stay in better shape.  I also closely monitor my diet (have a food-service delivery five days per week to make sure that I get all my recommended servings and calorie control to balance with my workout regimen - yes, I know, very pretentious, but it's New York City).

Anyway, at some point, possibly starting around Thanksgiving of last year, and most certainly in full swing by the time I cut out weekdays in May, the sober days were just a counter to when I would next drink.  The thought of drinking never dominated my thoughts during this time.  However, on Fridays, I would think nothing of stopping off on the way home to drop $50 in one shot on specialty, (usually) high-alcohol beer that my wife and I would go through usually by the end of Saturday, though I went through it faster, and would often be critical of her for not keeping up.

Over the weekend, I went to Phoenix for a short vacation.  My wife and I sat by the pool, and basically binge drank all day.  I blacked out upon returning to my hotel room, so I am not sure if I continued when I got there, but I remember at some point, my wife yelling at me to drink some caffeine, because she was not ready to go to sleep yet (although she recognized in retrospect that she was also quite intoxicated).  I was, as vaguely as I recall, barely coherent.  While my wife, who relented, was dragging me from the couch to the bed, I had an awakening of sorts, and came to the realization that although I do not do this every day, there is never a point anymore when I have had enough, and that there can be no rational mind that enjoys this.  I said, maybe not even realizing the severity of it at the time, "I am an alcoholic.  I can't ever do this."  This was dismissed as drunk talk, but I persisted, and from this point, my memory becomes clear, and my intent clear and pure as well.

At first, I was met by skepticism, but my wife acknowledged that if this was something that I felt I needed to do, she would support me, although she did not believe that I had a problem, and would still, on occasion, drink in moderation (but not the type of binges that she only undertook with me); this does not bother me.

The following day, and actually still, I am a bit overwhelmed.  Last night, I went to a baseball game, which is often a trigger, but did not feel tempted.  In fact, I found that I very much enjoyed my ability to focus on the nuances of the game.  I will admit, though, that I was somewhat disgusted at the culture of drunkeness and the crowd of boisterous, drunken people, now that I was conscious of not being a part of it.  I wonder - was part of me jealous?  Probably.

What is really overwhelming, though, is how many of my good times have had alcohol in them.  I have an apartment full of bottles of wine that were collected on two wonderful trips to California wineries - they were always my sentimental souvenirs, and I would not drink them even when bingeing, because they remind me of the beauty of the area, the relaxed attitude, and the fun times.  I object to letting my wife drink them even now, and also to getting rid of them.  Even if they are alcohol, they are a souvenir of a time in my life that was happy, and even if that is over, it is not wrong to remember the good, even while I face the bad.  There will be no more weekend trips to Bourbon Street, though, nor another New Year's like the opulent one I had in Paris this past January.  I am booked for Sandals for my fifth wedding anniversary in August, and though I know I will not drink, I feel frustrated and cheated that I spent my money on something that I can no longer have and enjoy.  I am, in other words, overwhelmed by the permanency of the new normal that I have no choice but to find.  I don't know what I enjoy; I don't know what my hobbies are, especially when the weather turns cold and I don't have the beach or baseball games (I used to drink at each, but enjoy them sober as well, especially the beach - I'm a good swimmer who won't do it while drunk).

I also worry that my wife will resent me for my realization and decision, as it will affect her life, as we will no longer do some things, like Bourbon Street, that she always enjoyed as well (though she would turn in when she had enough, while I would push until I passed out with a daquiri next to the bed).  We talked about this last night, and she calmly said that we will figure it out together, and that she would not resent me for anything, because it was never my choice to become an alcoholic.  She asked what I would feel if the situation were reversed, and I admitted that I would be very bitter, because another person, not me, made the choice to end a huge part of my whole life.  It was at this point that she realized the depth of my problem, as she said that for her it was just a matter of finding something else to do, being happy for happy times, and looking for more.  I don't know how to have fun except at baseball game and the beach without alcohol.  At some point, I forgot how to do that.  OK, I still play videogames, but that is not a social thing.  It is hard, as it is, to be social in New York, and I never really was, even while drinking.  I don't know how I am going to do it now.

What I know I need is a group I can talk to in New York.  It may be obvious to those of you with the patience to read this far that I am new to this community, and I need help finding my way into this.  I do not like religion, and do not intend to substitute God for booze - I pity people addicted to religion as much as I pity those like myself who cannot be as honest with themselves as I have managed to be.

I will not drink again - everyone who knows me who I have told about this believes this, as I am very strong-willed and stubborn.  I used to be a possible caffeine addict in denial of that, and quit cold turkey just to prove a point.  It was never hard for me.  This, however, was something that had come to control my sense of fun, even when it stopped being fun.  I know how not to drink.  I just don't know how to find my new self now that I am sober.

Thanks for listening, and please, if you know any non-religious groups in New York, could you please spare a moment and let me know.  I hope to someday be in the position, as some of you are, where I will be able to re-pay this by helping others.

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Quite an intro, John. My name is Tim, alcoholic. It sounds as though you have been deciding on whether to go sober or not for a bit now and that you've made the decision. That's good for you and also for those around you...I believe this one hundred percent. Are you going to attend AA meetings or are you going to do this basically on your own?

It also appears that you have a bit of difficulty with the "higher power" aspect of control, yes? If it has to do with atheism, send me a private e-mail and I'll tell you how I handle that. I do wish you good fortune...Tim

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Hi John and welcome,

Tim has already outlined and offered support around your questions about the religious aspects about the fellowship. I knew of the fellowship for a long long time before attending, it was my preconcieved notions that prevented me. As a result when i did come around they could have asked me to drink my own pee and i would have, i was so beaten. Anyway been clean and sober for over six  years now and my relationship with God/Higher power is nobody's business but my own :)

The part that struck me about your post was the conversation you had with your wife.......Where you were asking her how she would feel about giving up certain aspects of your lifes ( Bourbon St) and how she was open to change and happy to support you however if the places were switched that you would be filled with resentment........see thats the bit where i see you and you see me. You are a self confessed alcoholic from NYC and i am a street junkie from Glasgow but it is not about what or how much we took o where it took us it is about what you described in that sentence.

Good luck John and keep us posted :)

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Hi John,

Welcome to MIP.

My name is Carol, I'm an alcoholic living in UK. Deciding to quit drinking was the best decision that I could have made. I just wish that I had done it earlier, but life is pretty good, especially compared to how it was when I drank.

If you're thinking of trying AA (and it was the only way that I could get and stay sober), then don't worry about the God/Higher Power element of the program. It's not a religious program and you don't have to do anything that you don't want to. By giving AA a try, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Please keep posting and letting us know how things are going for you, won't you?

Take care,

Carol



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Welcome to MIP.

It never ceases to amaze me how none of us are unique, our stories are all pretty much the same...and that alcohol doesn't discriminate.... thank you for sharing and reminding me.


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Hi John and welcome

My name is Tina and I'm from Ontario Canada.
Like wise I welcome to forum, and  I agree with tim.  And do hope that you will continue to post on the forum until u are able to find group, to get to in person,

We all do share a common bond here and well help each other out, please stick and keep in touch.


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Hi John.....Welcome to MIP

We come from all walks of life...but we all have one thing in common...

The addiction to alcohol...and arresting this disease, one day at a time...by not picking up one drink...and doing what we have to do..on an individual basis....to keep it that way...

This program is a way of doing so....and how you work the suggested program is up to you...

Its not religious, even tho....some, have chosen that aspect, in their individual recovery...and thats ok...whatever works for them...

Its spirtitual.......and...its up to you how you handle that one....

Its very simply relying on some kind of a Higher Power, outside of ourselves..

For many days....I used the fellowship....and nothing more than Good Orderly Direction....as that Higher Power

I still remember what the long timers used to tell me when I was new...

Dont drink and go to meetings....and it was as simple as that....

Have a good day...


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Thanks to all who replied.  I did, in fact, get in touch with AA, and was directed to a meeting today.  It was not a beginner's meeting, and I listened rather than spoke, although obviously I have plenty to say in good time.  I did introduce myself as a first-time attendee, and was warmly welcomed.  I will be back, not every day, as I work long hours, and don't plan on giving up on my trips to the gym (physical health is very important, too, and has never had anything to do with drinking, so I am keeping that up).

I plan on attending a beginner's meeting on Friday to talk more fully, and hopefully can keep up Wednesdays.  There is also a group specifically for recovering attorneys that I can look into.  We in this profession try to take care of each other (finally I know what those damn Bar Association dues are for!).

Thank you all for your welcomes and support.  Even as a new member, if there is ever anything I can do for any of you, please reach out.  I am new to this, but I still have a pretty good head on my shoulders.

As for the Higher Power, I will deal with that as I see fit when the time comes.  I have, however, already realized that the only way to avoid being depressed over the rest of my life is to recognize that I am not depressed at today, because I have never had a problem abstaining on any given day, and every day is that any given day.  One day at a time.  Sounds familiar, right?

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Hi John! Glad to see you here.. my name is Jamie from Ct. I am not too far from NYC! I just read the posts and I am so happy that you updated us. Great job on making that phone call to AA.  I understand where you are coming from when it comes to your higher power not being God.  I was and am not a big fan of the religious aspect when it comes to my recovery, however it does work for some people.   The first meeting I went to was all talk about God and what God has done for them, I am not sure if everyone was talking so much about God because there was a priest in the group or is they are all had those experiences with God, but either way they are all recovering in their own way and I am happy they are where they are in terms of their recovery. That was the first and last time I went to that meeting... not because they were talking so much about God but more so because I could not relate to them. I went to some other meetings that were much more diverse when it came to religion that I really liked.   Some people here go to meetings 6 days a week some go once a month and some do not go at all.  I believe everyone is different in recovery and you will see for yourself what will help you and what you need to do. You are right... one day at a time!!! Going to meetings will help you find other things out there besides the beach and baseball games. People at meetings tend to be very welcoming so just ask them what they do for fun.... It takes time and after 5 months I am still learning what my hobbies are!!! You sound like you are off to a great start! Glad you are here John.... let us know how everything is going!!!
Jamie

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Hello John...and Welcome ! Belive me when I say I know just how you feel about " God " in your recovery. My Dad was a Minister, so thats all I ever heard about was God. One of the first things I learned in AA was that NOBODY can tell you who God is...or for that fact WHAT he is. That is for you to come to terms with. The God of MY understanding may be totaly differant than yours. The Good new's is , that's 100% O.K. , and you DONT have to call him "God". We had a old timer who use to call his "SAM". One thing I heard also was, if Your God doesnt work, fire him and get another one that does work. Sounds crazy, but it's true..and it works. To be honest, I do have to say this, from reading your post, it sounds like your saying you can make a choise of to drink or not drink. If that is the case, (and Maybe I misunderstand your post), then just dont drink..or like the Big Book say's, My hat's off to you. For myself, I KNOW FOR FACT that when it comes to alcohol, I have no choice. I lost that a long time ago. It has NOTHING to do with my will power etc. I am a alcoholic, the most unnaturel thing for me to do is NOT drink. At this very moment, I should be dead drunk. The reason that Im sober is because I found that I have no control over King Alcohol, and I have to trust and depend on my Higher Power..or God as I chose to call him to help me not drink just for today. I have to do the work, but he gives me the strenth to do it. I know what Im talking about. After being sober 13 years, I decided to start living life on MY terms. Slowly, I started blocking Him out of my life. I started to live my life the way I THOUGHT it should be. It didnt happen over night . The point is, I picked up a drink. It's been a hard time getting sober again. The only reason I have a little over a month sober now is because I turned my will and life back over to his care. Let me just say this, If you are a alcoholic...and ONLY you can decide that, keep going to meetings, and listen to what others have to say. If your like myself and many others, you will do what ever it takes to stay sober. From Their experince, you can gain much knowlage about yourself. I Truly wish you the best that life has to offer .

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John,
Welcome to this forum. You'll find a diverse group here with each member finding their
own individual path to recovery.
There is a group of recovering alcoholics that are attorneys. The have an online
site....just type in The Other Bar.
I tend to lean toward what Ron says about the God thing. Went to a private religious
grammer school and my folks seen to it that instructions were attended through high school.
I've went through struggles here and there.....attended no services for years though prayers
were said almost nightly. I still struggle at times.....but for me I seem much happier when
I do it God's way. I don't condemn other religions or people's view of God. This is what
has worked for me. For me there is a connection to the conscious and God/HP. We tend
to know instinctively what is right and wrong. and when we go against what conscious is
urging there comes that little gnawing feeling....guilt. However, you handle it is your business. here we support sobriety.
As for fun....it will come in time. Yeah there are those memories where alcohol was involved that are held fondly. One simply has to take it a day at a time.....in every aspect of the program. It is certain it may take a bit to discover you can have fun without it.
Your post was very articulate and honest. That is a big key to sobriety. #1.
Honesty with self of which you have done just by acknowledging there is a problem with alcohol. #2 Honesty with others. It becomes easier.
I have one comment you may not like to hear. In your post you imply that drinking
has nothing to do with physical health. Being an attorney by profession you peruse many
facts over and over. I can only suggest that some time be spent perusing the facts of
what alcohol can and does do to the body. Many may "appear" to be in great shape and
top physical health. However, check out most of the medical sites on the net tap into
alcoholism and it can quickly be seen the destruction alcohol has on the body and mind.
Some of us were fortunate that are drinking days were short lived and no real harm
arose to health. Others however........often become walking death and the damage remains
regardless of their quiting. I sort of assessed there was a reason that the hangover was
a good indication that alcohol wasn't made for the good health of the body. In other words
if one would go to great lengths to tend to their bodies with asprin, rest ect during a bout
of influenza to try and rid their bodies of feeling like crap then why not eliminate the culprit
causing the hangover. I concluded how fun is it to face vomiting, headaches, cottonmouth
From the simple little "whoozy" feeling to the heart disease, liver disease, ect yes there is
a REAL effect that alcohol has on the body. There was a reason for your blackout!
I sincerely welcome you a board and will fully support you choice for sobriety. You will
find in time there is a life full of blessings that you can't yet imagine. Wanda, Illinois

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Fortunately, as for the health problems, I should add that I am only 30 years old, so it might have been better phrased as, "I am young enough to have likely spared myself much of the physical damage of those who do not acknowledge their problems so early." I did mean to come off as so self-righteous and superior, and for that, I am sorry.

As far as the mental consequences, I have, and am, experienced those as much as anyone else, but more on that in another post.

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Welcome John, hope you find a little of what you need here! smile

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