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So I got a temporary sponsor... I didn't actually ask her to be my sponsor, I had told her I needed to get to know women out here and that I hadn't found a sponsor here yet, and she said "I'll be your temporary sponsor!" so I said ok...

So we talked a long time the other night... and she was really asking a lot of questions... I had told her I was living with Ben, pointed him out at the meeting, he was talking to his sponsor. So when we were talking, she asked if I had my own room... and I said no, and she asked where I slept and I told her we sleep in the same bed, so then she asks if we're having sex... and I told her we have... so then the whole conversation turned to talking about me and Ben... I admitted people back home were a little concerned, because of the age difference, I'm 23 and he's 60... my temp sponsor was a little concerned... but not too concerned really... I told her he treats me well, I feel safe with him, I'm happy here, and I love living out on this farm...

So we talked last night, and she was badgering me and telling me she asked some people about Ben, and that she was really concerned, asked if I knew about his past and I said yeah I know some about his drinking days, and she was like "no, I meant about past relationships" I told her yeah, he's been honest with me about his two marriages and who he's dated, I've talked to lots of women he's dated that he's still friends with even. She asked why someone of his age might be interested in such a younger person and that she didn't think that was right, and that she'd heard about his home, his farm, that it was dirty... I was like um, we live on a gravel road, it gets really dusty, you vacuum and dust and it gets dusty again right away, she's like no that's not what I meant, there's junk all over the place, in the house, outside, I'm like yeah, we're working on selling a lot of it at the auction... we'll have yard sales when it warms up... that's what he does for extra income, buys stuff at a good price and resells it. And I told her his intentions for me coming out here was to help me get my life straight, help me build up my self esteem, get back on my feet... she was like I don't think you can do that there with him, and that he should know better than to bring a young woman into a situation like it is here... um, he told me about the farm, that it's an old run down house, that he was worried I wouldn't like it, I chose to come here anyway and I'm actually very happy here.

When I got off the phone I talked to Ben about it, he'd heard bits of my end of the conversation. He said his sponsor doesn't tell him how to run his life, he doesn't pry into things, like he knows I'm living here but he's never asked Ben if we're even sleeping together because it's not his business. This woman was already trying to get me to move into the city, said she has a friend that rents out her basement and would work with me on what I could pay in rent and all that, said it would be a better situation. She doesn't know Ben. She doesn't know what situation I'm in. She's going by whatever whoever these people she talked to told her. And Ben's guessing she must've talked to his sponsor's wife who sponsored his ex-wife, as she knew who Ben's sponsor is.

Then... She had told me she was diagnosed bipolar and was on medication... so I brought that up tonight, she said no, she was diagnosed before as bipolar, but now that she's older she's just got depression and is on 2 antidepressants for it, and neurontin for mood swings. Um, they don't put you on something for mood swings if you're just depressed. And if she was bipolar, you don't out grow it when you get older.  And she was a nurse, she should know this.

Then she had also told me she's been in the program since 1981, has been in treatment 4 times, and has 3 years sober... she told me that the other night when I met her, after she said she'd be my sponsor...

I dunno, I think I'm already gonna have to fire my new sponsor... I don't think she should've pried quite so much, my old sponsor didn't ask nearly that much, she let me offer up information when I was ready. Of course she had some questions when we were getting to know each other, but she didn't even pry into getting info about my marriage, she let me tell her about my husband as I wanted to, this new woman shouldn't have asked so much about me and Ben, and especially had no reason to even ask if we were sleeping together, right?

And the thing is, I've known Ben for 8 months, granted 7 months of that was knowing him online... but I do know him pretty well and I trust him with my life. Before I came out here I talked to people who know him in person, I talked to his ex girlfriends that he's still friends with, found out how he treated them, all that... I've met all his friends out here, and trust them, these are good people I'm around. Why should I listen to a woman who was going around asking God knows who about him, when she doesn't even know him?


It royally pissed Ben off, for her to judge him like that when she doesn't even know him and she's never been to this farm.  Not that many people at that meeting even know him, not a whole lot of people in the program really know *that* much about him.  When I asked her if there was something she found out that I needed to know, she's like no, if there was I'd tell you.  She said she was just concerned about me...  she's known me all of about 3 days...  she was concerned about my safety and stuff, why would someone who just met me be so d*mn concerned?  And to pry into things like that???

There's another woman I met last week at a different meeting, that I'm going to call again, I had called before and she hasn't called back, or if she did we didn't get the call as I gave her the home phone and we don't always answer it.  But I'll try calling her again today, and well I didn't even ask this other woman to be my sponsor, she offered, I'm not going to jump into it with this other woman, I'll get to know her first.

Sorry this is so long... hope you made it through it.

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As we go our own path...

We are responsible for the decisions and choices we make...

Noone else..

If they are good decisions and choices?  Great

If they are not? Then we learn from them...

Noone else has the right to tell you, what you should or should not be doing....

Those of us in AA have one responsibility

To ourselves.....first..

And then....

If anyone anywhere reaches out for help...let the hand of AA be there...to reach back..

And WE do it together...


Its your life kiddo...

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It sounds to me like your temp sponsor has a resentment of some kind towards your current significant other. If she can't get past that, which I suspect may be the case, I think it would be wise of you to find a different sponsor. Yes there is supposed to be a depth of honesty between you too, but ultimately a sponsor is your guide through the steps and living sober, they are not there to tell you exactly how to live your life or to berate those you call friends.

I found out recently through a mutual friend that my sponsor has very deep negative feelings towards someone I recently kicked out of my life. She never shared these with me directly, she only offered advice where I asked and related it to the 12 steps, and for that I am grateful because it allowed me to follow the path and go through the process which I was meant to, and not take action in my life until I was entirely ready. That's not to say that there's anything wrong with your situation, but to say that there are practical reasons for a sponsor not to allow their personal emotions/resentments dictate how they will sponsor you.

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Hello there.  In my opinion a sponsor is someone who will walk you through the 12 step program so that you find out who you are.  They certainly aren't to tell you how to run your life and who you see and don't see.  Their job is to bring guidance and suggestions into your life so that you make healthy decisions for yourself.  If you ever need someone to talk to, you can email me at peace4u143@hotmail.com.  It's a day at a time program and if you lay your head down sober then you are successful. The rest of your life will fall into place, I promise.  I have 7 years sober and I remember a time when I couldn't get 2 hours.  So take it a day at a time and don't let yourself get bullied.

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Lisa,
I'm not knowledgable about AA, and so I can't comment about how appropriate or innappropriate this temporary sponsor is behaving according to the AA way. That said, after reading through your post, Lisa, I really want to send you praryer and feelings of support and hope that this matter will be resolved in the best way possible for you.
Take care,
Laura

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In my most humble opinion, she's telling you what you need to hear.....She said out loud what a lot are thinking & probably a lot all ready know...Sorry, girl, but I stand by my original opionion that this guy is a 13th Stepper!!!!! If his intentions were honorable (for lack of a better word) you'd have your own room and he wouldn't be having sex with you........We've got a couple of those around here, and when a newbie female comes in, some of us feel it's our responsibility to let them know. Us girls gotta look out for each other sometimes.......Just because someone is sober and in AA does not mean they are not sick in other ways....I wouldn't write this woman off just yet, you may find  that you need the help she's offered, at some point......You're in my prayers, hun.




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Eh, thousands of people visit this board, where you have posted every detail of your private life, along with links to your blogs, name, family, etc, with more information than anyone needed to know. Not many come in with their head screwed on straight, just part of it.

 It would behoove us at this difficult, confusing, and painful juncture, to listen to the things we do not want to hear, and do the things we do not want to, otherwise, end up with the same and worse than where we were before.

This lady who had much more reason than us to know these things went for the jugular of what's going on with LISA, and she was naturally taken back, by a pretty eyebrow-raising situation.

You'll find plenty of folks who will pat you on the ass, tell you 'good girl', no matter what your into or where your heading, some don't know their arse from a hole in the ground and simply need to justify the same things at work in their life, more out of immaturity than ill intentions.

You'll also find folks do know better, just batting for a different team.

A little bird flew into a blizzard came near freezing, landed in a pasture, cow came along. Saw 'm freezing, took a dump right on it. Little bird stayed warm and toasty under that pile.
Coyote came along, sensed it in there, dug it out and ate it.

Not everyone that dumps on you wants to hurt you, not everyone who digs you out wants to help.

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Some real honest replys on this one Lisa...:)

I can remember my first few hundred days in AA..

Think I changed sponsors about 10 times...

None of them had....what I wanted to hear...

I used to have a lot of friends..stand outside of the picture I was in...at different times..and read it all like a book..

But being of an alky nature....I couldnt really see what was going on...because I was inside the picture...and determined as hell..to make a few things work...

I think Denial played a big part...and dillusional...played another...

But..that was my road...that I had to go...

I honestly believe that we do not like to see others get hurt...

And very simply?  This kid....does hope that you dont....

I think that we all give from the heart...

Keep posting....



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If you were my daughter or close personal friend or something along those lines I would want to impress upon you the idea of erring on the side of caution. Most everything will wait, and were I in your position I'd eventually get around to wondering- despite it being a scary proposition at the time- if it wouldn't be more advantageous for me at that time to be standing on my own two feet rather than latching onto something convenient. The whole internet thing has me scratching my head a little. That kinda stuff didn't happen all that often when we were writing letters with pen and paper. I think the internet dating thing is a little flag that has to do with the immediacy of our needs, and how we want everything now- but I suppose 99% of that would be another topic.

It sounds to me like you fell victim to this temporary sponsor's inability to present things in a fashion that you could handle. People do what they can. I'd guess that she probably meant well, that she has some valid points and needs to work on her presentation. As antiseptic as it may sound, people need to present ideas just like they're trying to sell something. Especially concerning something as important as this.

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Hello Lisa

The Main thing here is your ((((SOBRIETY )))
and to get into action with the 12 steps .....


If you want to no about SPONCERSHIP  you can find a pamplet on sponcership at any AA meeting .....good luck to you


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More yellow flags there.  That woman might actually have done you a big favor by giving you some perspectives. How about the women who are not still his friends?   And she offered you a place to stay in town. We've told you about our concerns before, that this is not a good move or a healthy relationship.  But  it looks like you are going to play this out, and, like Phil said, that is your choice and prerogative.   We can tell someone not to touch the fire because fire burns,   but some people have to learn that the hard way.  Your temp sponsor didn't tell you what you want to hear,,,   so you are going to get one that does,,,  the easier softer way.  You have been warned.  About her meds, um, isn't that about the same as your meds?  About how her condition affects her judgement, isn't that about how your condition affects your judgement?

love in recovery,

amanda



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Lisa,
I hope you keep posting and checking in. Take time to reflect on your situation and what people have said. You shouldn't feel bad for wanting time of your own (by yourself) to think and reconnect with loved ones--it's your life. The lioness always eats first and takes care of herself first so that she will be strong enough to survive and continue to care for her loved ones. It's not a bad thing to put yourself first.
Take care,
Laura

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I know some of y'all are concerned, and don't think I'm doing the right thing... but I believe this has been one of the best decisions I've made, I'm doing so much better since I got here. And Amanda, by the way, I'm not on medication anymore and am doing much better without it. I'm really happy here, I love being out here in the country, on this farm, helping out with what I can... I'm adjusting really well, and honestly don't think I'd go back to city living for anything.

We got Ben's sponsor's advice on the thing with this temp sponsor... he said she's got a prescription drug problem, gets into other people's business then spreads it around, and that at a meeting the other night she was taking his inventory after the meeting. He advised me not to call her anymore, said that she's bad news.

We went to the Thurs night meeting where I had met that other woman, and I got to talk to her some afterward, she's my new temp sponsor, she seems to know her stuff from hearing her share in meetings and talking with her after the meetings. We'll see how this one works out...

And it's not that I'm trying to find someone who will tell me what I want to hear. I do understand and expect a lot of crap on my living situation, being here with a man with such a huge age difference and all that, making big changes in the first year, I do expect people to be concerned. But I think that other woman pried way too much, she shouldn't get that involved in my personal life and grill me with that many questions, then make judgments on my boyfriend whom she doesn't even know. Then hearing about her from Ben's sponsor, I'm thinking it's best I don't stick with her.

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Okay, well,,,   I've said all I hve to say on the subject.  God bless you.

love in recovery,

amanda


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"I do understand and expect a lot of crap..."

It's not crap. These people care. That's all I would care to say.
Mike in Boston

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