Alcoholics Anonymous

Enigma · Enigma

Well i really don't know what to say. My STBXW I love how after 15yrs of marriage someone can be so spitefull actually corrosive hate is more like it, a black soul. IDK who this monster is anymore. I'm glad she is starting a new chapter. Its sad that someone can't live on their own and be more mature but sh...

Tasha · Tasha

The child draws a deep breath and lets out a sigh. She sounds like a baby still. Sleep - relaxing rythm and sweet delicate face pressed into my neck. Life slows down for me now as it spins by... I no longer drink the poison that is fear and chaos, and hope the other person dies. When I listen to the chatt...

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

Lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth where moth and dust doth corrupt, where thieves break through and steal; but lay up treasures in heaven ... for where your treasure is, there will be your heart also. --Matthew 6:19 21The True TreasureConsider the following story of misplaced prioriti...

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

To the world you might be one person, but to one person you might be the world.Mark Twain

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

Weekly VerseBlessed is the man who fears the Lord, who finds great delight in his commands. Psalm 112:1Weekly QuoteJoy, not grit, is the hallmark of holy obedience. We need to be light-hearted in what we do to avoid taking ourselves too seriously. It is a cheerful revolt against self and pride. Or wo...

Mike D · Mike D

After seeing the wonderful picture of Hopee's special Prayer Place, I was stirred to say something about how a place that is set aside just for prayer and meditation can change the whole complexion of our devotional life in working Step Eleven. I'd definitely have to say that it changed things for m...

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

If you have much, give of your wealth; If you have little, give of your heart.Arab Proverb

Participants needed · Participants needed

Are you thinking about attending a self-help group or have you just started to attend?If so, PLEASE participate in a short study about your experience and get a free Starbucks gift card.call Amy at 213-706-1800

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

Some days I feel like a tightrope walker. - Jeannette N. We all perform a balancing act, trying to keep perspective on what's important and what is not. Sometimes we fall crazy drivers cut into our lane, the supermarket line takes forever, the baby's crying. At those times a minor insult at work or a cr...

Philipld · Philipld

Zoomtopz · Zoomtopz

Zoomtopz · Zoomtopz

Yep , it's a Goodie

Zoomtopz · Zoomtopz

is that like "wanting to only being a little bit pregnant"

betterthanyesterday52 · betterthanyesterday52

I had tried AA four times before this last time. Guess I wasn't ready or "hadn't had enough". One thing which kept me from getting right back into a meeting after I would relapse was feeling embarrassed and ashamed of what others would think of me. I was worried about appearing to be a failure...

Enigma · Enigma

I could not answer this a year ago when asked I just didn't know. I want someone who has a spiritual relationship with God, I want someone who is honest, compassionate, understanding, emotionally available, supportive, communicative, who loves themselves, accepting, not afraid of emotional or...

betterthanyesterday52 · betterthanyesterday52

What a great day! I feel calm and relaxed and am optimistic about what this day will bring. It is certainly a change from the other day when I posted that I was feeling down. I realized that almost every month since being sober that within a week or so before I reach another month of sobriety that something...

hopee · hopee

Well its been 60 days, I picked my 30 day chip after we last spoke, I relapsed, My new 30 days is May 6. I have no more desire to drink & drug except when calamities arise but so far through calling my sponsor twice a day, going to a meeting every day I'm better able to work through, also through prayer and...

betterthanyesterday52 · betterthanyesterday52

CNN exclusive: A meat processing plant in California was buying diseased dairy cows and processing them when government inspectors weren't there, federal officials tell CNN. After the cows were killed, employees at Rancho Feeding Corp., based in Petaluma, California, would hide the warning si...

Jerry F · Jerry F

Sending thoughts and prayers your way. May the Highest of All Powers watch over you all and keep you from harms way. Do your part too. From the Pacific. ((((hugs))))

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you.John Wooden

betterthanyesterday52 · betterthanyesterday52

"Anger that we feel justified in holding on to because of the circumstances. According to the Big Book, there is no justification for remaining angry about anything. Often we 'justify' the anger so we don't have to look at ourselves and our own part in creating it. The Twelve and Twelve reminds u...

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

We can act ourselves into right thinking easier than we can think ourselves into right acting.--AnonymousThe best thing for us to do in our 12 Step Program is to be honest in how we act and think. We must be true to that belief.We can't think for others, and they can't think for us. Friends can tell us the l...

Mike B. · Mike B.

May 2 "God has given me this day to use as I wish; Alcoholics Anonymous shows me how to live it without a drink."

betterthanyesterday52 · betterthanyesterday52

Feeling a bit low tonight. Cannot sleep and decided to come here and "talk". It is so surprising I am so full of words and more myself on here than in meetings, although I talk more than I did, when it comes to shares--well, most of the time-- I don't. Still have that insecurity thing I guess. Yo...

Philipld · Philipld

It is plain that a life which includes deep resentment leads only to futility and unhappiness. To the precise extent that we permit these, do we squander the hours that might have been worth while. But with the alcoholic , whose hope is the maintenance and growth of a spiritual experience, this busine...

davep12and12 · davep12and12

Just some nice news to report. I got sober in southern California 25 years ago and moved up here to the SF area about seventeen years ago. My old home group in SoCal is still going strong and many of the people I met there when I was new are still there. But that's about 400 miles between SoCal and SF so I usua...

Enigma · Enigma

Had a busy day today with several errands. Also PU my divorce papers. Have the kids with me for next two days. Starting orientation tommorow at a new job. Dropped some parking tickets and toll fees to the STXW. She asked who's are these. Which I replied there yours on your car check the plate. She was so ma...

Tasha · Tasha

Balance The goal is balance. We need balance between work and play. We need balance between giving and receiving. We need balance in thought and feelings. We need balance in caring for our physical self and our spiritual self. A balanced life has harmony between a professional life and a personal lif...

Mike B. · Mike B.

May 1 "I had been introverted and tense. I had been blocked by a fat ego that made sharing impossible, by a lack of communication, by a fear of love. The Fifth Step swept away all those barricades. With some humility, I could begin to find joy in the simple delights of life."

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

The essence of all beautiful art, all great art, is gratitude.Friedrich Nietzsche

betterthanyesterday52 · betterthanyesterday52

Well, it is "progress over perfection"...... Had to make an amends first thing this morning. I think I went into a dry drunk mode last evening. Something my bf said he was going to do which really has no affect on me, I made into "me". Told him off. I didn't raise my voice...just wen...

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

Be careful with amends. Hurting someone thoughtlessly just to lift our own guilt is not a proper Step Nine. Amends are for rebuilding the burned bridges in our lives. But if amends will hurt someone, we must decide if it's in that person's best interest to be told now. Oftentimes it's best left unsaid,...

Philipld · Philipld

My apoligies..if this sounds a bit harsh Ron....Ive been following your posts....and Im going to share something with you... The reason being? Ive been exactly where youre at...a couple of times in my life..and sometimes REALITY sucks... My obsession to have my wife and my kids back in my life...wa...

Mike B. · Mike B.

April 30 "I can choose to carry the weight of the world and my problems around on my shoulders, or I can turn them all over to my Higher Power and let her worry about them."

Enigma · Enigma

Well I'm awake it's 1am and I can't get back to sleep. Miss my bed, kids, house and wife. But I'm not suffering. Went to men's BB meeting tonite and there were two newcomers with 2 weeks of sobriety. Of course I had to share my ESH. Told them they are miracles cause they are sober today. That you don't have to...

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

Passion is born the moment you catch a glimpse of your potential.Fred Smith

pinkchip · pinkchip

Phil already got this started (and Tasha too in here thread) but I wanted to open up the thread for Enigma and others going through these problems, but also because this is sooooo common and I can think of like 5 members on this board that have similar stories that might not have caught on to the theme just...

Philipld · Philipld

They put everyone else before themselves, she said. For some, saying yes is a habit; for others, its almost an addiction that makes them feel like they need to be needed. This makes them feel important and like theyre contributing to someone elses life. People-pleasers yearn for outside validation...

Mike B. · Mike B.

April 29 "Reality nourishes and fulfills."

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

It takes a lot of courage to show your dreams to someone else.Erma Bombeck

betterthanyesterday52 · betterthanyesterday52

I still am working on this one but I feel I am so much better.... I never used to feel normal and liked. This is probably the biggest reason I wanted to drink--to feel like I was okay. For years....since I was a kid it was "all about moi". Everybody was looking at me, talking about me. Where did th...

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

Attitudes and LimitationTo a large extent, the way we think determines who we are and what happens to us. We cannot harbor poisonous thoughts without their effects visibly showing in our lives. If we dwell on our inadequacy and ineffectiveness, for example, circumstances will prove us correct bec...

Tasha · Tasha

Initiating Relationships Often, we can learn much about ourselves from the people to whom we are attracted. As we progress through recovery, we learn we can no longer form relationships solely on the basis of attraction. We learn to be patient, to allow ourselves to take into account important fact...

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

Listening well Learning to really listen to another human being - beyond just his or her words - is critical to good communication. Valuable exchanges between human beings can occur only when each listens carefully to the other and tries sincerely to understand the other person's meaning. Much an...

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

All things are difficult before they are easy.John Norley

Pythonpappy · Pythonpappy

April 28, 2014Quote of the Week"If you don't go within, you go without." Legend has it the deepest wisdom was once freely available to man, but he continued to ignore it. The Gods, growing tired of this, decided to hide this wisdom so only those determined to use it would search and find it....

bikerbill · bikerbill

I got a call yesterday from one of my brothers that mum was fading away. This morning at half past four she slipped away gently and peacefully. My sister stayed at her side for all of her last twenty four hours. I'll leave my sister be until tomorrow. ..she needs to rest ....then I'll drive down., giv...

betterthanyesterday52 · betterthanyesterday52

Does anyone know if this is in the Big Book? I found it on Barefoot's World.....when I did a search to find out if these are BF's words or the BB, another site name came up and it has the exact info without any reference to AA. It sounds like it is in the BB, however, my retention is still so poor and I am hoping t...

Mike B. · Mike B.

April 28 "I can better understand when I learn to listen."

Enigma · Enigma

Been awake for a while. Now that my anger is subsiding I find myself hurting. I don't want to feel or live like this anymore. A little ESH please! Ron

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	twisted emotions (Preview) Well i really don't know what to say. My STBXW I love how after 15yrs of marriage someone can be so spitefull actually corrosive hate is more like it, a black soul. IDK who this monster is anymore. I'm glad she is starting a new chapter. Its sad that someone can't live on their own and be more mature but sh...	Enigma	29	967	May 4, 2014 by Jerry F
	The clock stops (Preview) The child draws a deep breath and lets out a sigh. She sounds like a baby still. Sleep - relaxing rythm and sweet delicate face pressed into my neck. Life slows down for me now as it spins by... I no longer drink the poison that is fear and chaos, and hope the other person dies. When I listen to the chatt...	Tasha	4	592	May 4, 2014 by Jerry F
	Today's Gift - 5/4 (Preview) Lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth where moth and dust doth corrupt, where thieves break through and steal; but lay up treasures in heaven ... for where your treasure is, there will be your heart also. --Matthew 6:19 21The True TreasureConsider the following story of misplaced prioriti...	Pythonpappy	1	332	May 4, 2014 by Mr_David
	Sunrise Quote - 5/4 (Preview) To the world you might be one person, but to one person you might be the world.Mark Twain	Pythonpappy	2	351	May 4, 2014 by Mr_David
	Weekly Thought --- (religious concept) (Preview) Weekly VerseBlessed is the man who fears the Lord, who finds great delight in his commands. Psalm 112:1Weekly QuoteJoy, not grit, is the hallmark of holy obedience. We need to be light-hearted in what we do to avoid taking ourselves too seriously. It is a cheerful revolt against self and pride. Or wo...	Pythonpappy	2	441	May 4, 2014 by Mr_David
	A Prayer Place (Preview) After seeing the wonderful picture of Hopee's special Prayer Place, I was stirred to say something about how a place that is set aside just for prayer and meditation can change the whole complexion of our devotional life in working Step Eleven. I'd definitely have to say that it changed things for m...	Mike D	4	547	May 4, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	Sunrise Quote - 5/3 (Preview) If you have much, give of your wealth; If you have little, give of your heart.Arab Proverb	Pythonpappy	2	384	May 4, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	Need participants for a study. Will get coffee gift card for participation. help needed (Preview) Are you thinking about attending a self-help group or have you just started to attend?If so, PLEASE participate in a short study about your experience and get a free Starbucks gift card.call Amy at 213-706-1800	Participants needed	6	602	May 4, 2014 by Participants needed
	Today's Gift - Great 'follow-up' to an earlier Tasha Post!!! ... r.e. 'balance' (Preview) Some days I feel like a tightrope walker. - Jeannette N. We all perform a balancing act, trying to keep perspective on what's important and what is not. Sometimes we fall crazy drivers cut into our lane, the supermarket line takes forever, the baby's crying. At those times a minor insult at work or a cr...	Pythonpappy	3	397	May 4, 2014 by Tasha
	My first written breathalyser test (Preview)	Philipld	9	651	May 4, 2014 by Mike D
	Yep (Preview)	Zoomtopz	5	482	May 4, 2014 by Mr_David
	Luvit (Preview) Yep , it's a Goodie	Zoomtopz	3	433	May 4, 2014 by Mr_David
	uh uh (Preview) is that like "wanting to only being a little bit pregnant"	Zoomtopz	6	696	May 4, 2014 by Mr_David
	Keep Coming Back--Even If You Relapse--Keep Coming Back (Preview) I had tried AA four times before this last time. Guess I wasn't ready or "hadn't had enough". One thing which kept me from getting right back into a meeting after I would relapse was feeling embarrassed and ashamed of what others would think of me. I was worried about appearing to be a failure...	betterthanyesterday52	2	483	May 3, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	What I want in a relationship (Preview) I could not answer this a year ago when asked I just didn't know. I want someone who has a spiritual relationship with God, I want someone who is honest, compassionate, understanding, emotionally available, supportive, communicative, who loves themselves, accepting, not afraid of emotional or...	Enigma	12	751	May 3, 2014 by tomsteve
	The Promises (Preview) What a great day! I feel calm and relaxed and am optimistic about what this day will bring. It is certainly a change from the other day when I posted that I was feeling down. I realized that almost every month since being sober that within a week or so before I reach another month of sobriety that something...	betterthanyesterday52	5	620	May 2, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	Checking in after 60 days (Preview) Well its been 60 days, I picked my 30 day chip after we last spoke, I relapsed, My new 30 days is May 6. I have no more desire to drink & drug except when calamities arise but so far through calling my sponsor twice a day, going to a meeting every day I'm better able to work through, also through prayer and...	hopee	6	557	May 2, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	This Makes Me Wish I Was A Vegetarian (Preview) CNN exclusive: A meat processing plant in California was buying diseased dairy cows and processing them when government inspectors weren't there, federal officials tell CNN. After the cows were killed, employees at Rancho Feeding Corp., based in Petaluma, California, would hide the warning si...	betterthanyesterday52	0	496	May 2, 2014 by betterthanyesterday52
	South - Southeast - Florida family (Preview) Sending thoughts and prayers your way. May the Highest of All Powers watch over you all and keep you from harms way. Do your part too. From the Pacific. ((((hugs))))	Jerry F	7	502	May 2, 2014 by betterthanyesterday52
	Sunrise Quote - 5/2 (Preview) You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you.John Wooden	Pythonpappy	4	368	May 2, 2014 by betterthanyesterday52
	Hurt, Anger and Letting Go (Preview) "Anger that we feel justified in holding on to because of the circumstances. According to the Big Book, there is no justification for remaining angry about anything. Often we 'justify' the anger so we don't have to look at ourselves and our own part in creating it. The Twelve and Twelve reminds u...	betterthanyesterday52	9	661	May 2, 2014 by Tasha
	Today's Gift - 5/2 (Preview) We can act ourselves into right thinking easier than we can think ourselves into right acting.--AnonymousThe best thing for us to do in our 12 Step Program is to be honest in how we act and think. We must be true to that belief.We can't think for others, and they can't think for us. Friends can tell us the l...	Pythonpappy	1	405	May 2, 2014 by Mike B.
	Grapevine (Preview) May 2 "God has given me this day to use as I wish; Alcoholics Anonymous shows me how to live it without a drink."	Mike B.	3	410	May 2, 2014 by Philipld
	Up and Down (Preview) Feeling a bit low tonight. Cannot sleep and decided to come here and "talk". It is so surprising I am so full of words and more myself on here than in meetings, although I talk more than I did, when it comes to shares--well, most of the time-- I don't. Still have that insecurity thing I guess. Yo...	betterthanyesterday52	6	643	May 2, 2014 by betterthanyesterday52
	A BIG ONE (Preview) It is plain that a life which includes deep resentment leads only to futility and unhappiness. To the precise extent that we permit these, do we squander the hours that might have been worth while. But with the alcoholic , whose hope is the maintenance and growth of a spiritual experience, this busine...	Philipld	2	1692	May 2, 2014 by tomsteve
	Visiting my old home group next week (Preview) Just some nice news to report. I got sober in southern California 25 years ago and moved up here to the SF area about seventeen years ago. My old home group in SoCal is still going strong and many of the people I met there when I was new are still there. But that's about 400 miles between SoCal and SF so I usua...	davep12and12	3	404	May 1, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	Busy day (Preview) Had a busy day today with several errands. Also PU my divorce papers. Have the kids with me for next two days. Starting orientation tommorow at a new job. Dropped some parking tickets and toll fees to the STXW. She asked who's are these. Which I replied there yours on your car check the plate. She was so ma...	Enigma	5	451	May 1, 2014 by Mike D
	Balance (Preview) Balance The goal is balance. We need balance between work and play. We need balance between giving and receiving. We need balance in thought and feelings. We need balance in caring for our physical self and our spiritual self. A balanced life has harmony between a professional life and a personal lif...	Tasha	8	842	May 1, 2014 by Tasha
	Grapevine (Preview) May 1 "I had been introverted and tense. I had been blocked by a fat ego that made sharing impossible, by a lack of communication, by a fear of love. The Fifth Step swept away all those barricades. With some humility, I could begin to find joy in the simple delights of life."	Mike B.	1	360	May 1, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	Sunrise Quote - 5/1 (Preview) The essence of all beautiful art, all great art, is gratitude.Friedrich Nietzsche	Pythonpappy	0	356	May 1, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	Making Daily Amends (Preview) Well, it is "progress over perfection"...... Had to make an amends first thing this morning. I think I went into a dry drunk mode last evening. Something my bf said he was going to do which really has no affect on me, I made into "me". Told him off. I didn't raise my voice...just wen...	betterthanyesterday52	20	855	May 1, 2014 by betterthanyesterday52
	Today's Gift - 4/30 (Preview) Be careful with amends. Hurting someone thoughtlessly just to lift our own guilt is not a proper Step Nine. Amends are for rebuilding the burned bridges in our lives. But if amends will hurt someone, we must decide if it's in that person's best interest to be told now. Oftentimes it's best left unsaid,...	Pythonpappy	1	431	May 1, 2014 by Philipld
	To Enigma (Preview) My apoligies..if this sounds a bit harsh Ron....Ive been following your posts....and Im going to share something with you... The reason being? Ive been exactly where youre at...a couple of times in my life..and sometimes REALITY sucks... My obsession to have my wife and my kids back in my life...wa...	Philipld	4	553	Apr 30, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	Grapevine (Preview) April 30 "I can choose to carry the weight of the world and my problems around on my shoulders, or I can turn them all over to my Higher Power and let her worry about them."	Mike B.	2	417	Apr 30, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	Can't Sleep (Preview) Well I'm awake it's 1am and I can't get back to sleep. Miss my bed, kids, house and wife. But I'm not suffering. Went to men's BB meeting tonite and there were two newcomers with 2 weeks of sobriety. Of course I had to share my ESH. Told them they are miracles cause they are sober today. That you don't have to...	Enigma	5	697	Apr 30, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	Sunrise Quote - 4/30 (Preview) Passion is born the moment you catch a glimpse of your potential.Fred Smith	Pythonpappy	0	317	Apr 30, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	Early sobriety breakups / relationship stuff. (Preview) Phil already got this started (and Tasha too in here thread) but I wanted to open up the thread for Enigma and others going through these problems, but also because this is sooooo common and I can think of like 5 members on this board that have similar stories that might not have caught on to the theme just...	pinkchip	6	3874	Apr 30, 2014 by Zoomtopz
	People Pleasing (Preview) They put everyone else before themselves, she said. For some, saying yes is a habit; for others, its almost an addiction that makes them feel like they need to be needed. This makes them feel important and like theyre contributing to someone elses life. People-pleasers yearn for outside validation...	Philipld	3	1240	Apr 29, 2014 by Tasha
	Grapevine (Preview) April 29 "Reality nourishes and fulfills."	Mike B.	2	385	Apr 29, 2014 by Tasha
	Sunrise Quote - 4/29 (Preview) It takes a lot of courage to show your dreams to someone else.Erma Bombeck	Pythonpappy	4	385	Apr 29, 2014 by Tasha
	Oh the Ego! (Preview) I still am working on this one but I feel I am so much better.... I never used to feel normal and liked. This is probably the biggest reason I wanted to drink--to feel like I was okay. For years....since I was a kid it was "all about moi". Everybody was looking at me, talking about me. Where did th...	betterthanyesterday52	5	645	Apr 29, 2014 by betterthanyesterday52
	Today's Gift - 4/29 (Preview) Attitudes and LimitationTo a large extent, the way we think determines who we are and what happens to us. We cannot harbor poisonous thoughts without their effects visibly showing in our lives. If we dwell on our inadequacy and ineffectiveness, for example, circumstances will prove us correct bec...	Pythonpappy	2	395	Apr 29, 2014 by betterthanyesterday52
	Initiating Relationships (Preview) Initiating Relationships Often, we can learn much about ourselves from the people to whom we are attracted. As we progress through recovery, we learn we can no longer form relationships solely on the basis of attraction. We learn to be patient, to allow ourselves to take into account important fact...	Tasha	2	1066	Apr 29, 2014 by Mike B.
	Today's Gift - 4/28 (Preview) Listening well Learning to really listen to another human being - beyond just his or her words - is critical to good communication. Valuable exchanges between human beings can occur only when each listens carefully to the other and tries sincerely to understand the other person's meaning. Much an...	Pythonpappy	7	531	Apr 29, 2014 by betterthanyesterday52
	Sunrise Quote - 4/28 (Preview) All things are difficult before they are easy.John Norley	Pythonpappy	3	378	Apr 29, 2014 by betterthanyesterday52
	Wisdom of the Rooms (Preview) April 28, 2014Quote of the Week"If you don't go within, you go without." Legend has it the deepest wisdom was once freely available to man, but he continued to ignore it. The Gods, growing tired of this, decided to hide this wisdom so only those determined to use it would search and find it....	Pythonpappy	4	446	Apr 29, 2014 by betterthanyesterday52
	my mum passed away this morning (Preview) I got a call yesterday from one of my brothers that mum was fading away. This morning at half past four she slipped away gently and peacefully. My sister stayed at her side for all of her last twenty four hours. I'll leave my sister be until tomorrow. ..she needs to rest ....then I'll drive down., giv...	bikerbill	16	646	Apr 28, 2014 by Col
	I Like This But Where's It From??? (Preview) Does anyone know if this is in the Big Book? I found it on Barefoot's World.....when I did a search to find out if these are BF's words or the BB, another site name came up and it has the exact info without any reference to AA. It sounds like it is in the BB, however, my retention is still so poor and I am hoping t...	betterthanyesterday52	20	952	Apr 28, 2014 by betterthanyesterday52
	Grapevine (Preview) April 28 "I can better understand when I learn to listen."	Mike B.	3	338	Apr 28, 2014 by Pythonpappy
	Hurting (Preview) Been awake for a while. Now that my anger is subsiding I find myself hurting. I don't want to feel or live like this anymore. A little ESH please! Ron	Enigma	10	635	Apr 28, 2014 by Pythonpappy
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