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I'm new to MIP. I'm coming up on 6 months of sobriety on August 2nd. My sponsor is great but he travels for a living. Not easy to get ahold of. I'm attempting my 4th step and it's kicking amy ass. Got a lot of crap coming up that I buried a long time ago. Anyway I'm just putting myself out there. 



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Welcome to MIP Capital K ... glad you found us ...

When I finally got willing to work the program of AA in earnest, I was told to read the 'How it Works' chapter in the BB very slowly and thoroughly ... the one thing that stood out for me was on page 58 ... "If you have decided you want what we have and are willing to go to any length to get it-then you are ready to take certain steps.
At some of these we balked. We thought we could find an easier, softer way. But we could not. With all the earnestness at our command, we beg of you to be fearless and thorough from the very start. Some of us have tried to hold on to our old ideas and the result was nil until we let go absolutely."

I was in and out of AA for 13 years and didn't get any real sober time until I was so broken down I decided to 'go to any length' to get and STAY sober ... when I got totally honest with my inventory, I did not like all the 'character defects I realized I was carrying around ... it was vital for me to get down on paper just how my 'thinking' and my 'attitude' through life got me to where I was at that point in time ... it's a very humbling experience and one that requires a person to find a quiet place of solitude to reflect on one's past without distractions ...

and if you don't think of everything now, that's okay, cause I found myself doing this step over several times in order to get it complete ... after 6 1/2 years sober, I still must do an occasional inventory just as it says in the book ... it's the only way I can remain sober ... good luck and if you have more specific questions, fire away ... we love helping each other here ... and the only 'dumb' questions here are those that don't get asked ...


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Pythonpappy wrote:

and if you don't think of everything now, that's okay, cause I found myself doing this step over several times in order to get it complete ... after 6 1/2 years sober, I still must do an occasional inventory just as it says in the book ...


You know Pappy....I love ya brother....But here I have to disagree with you. This is just my experience. I've only taken this step once...And that's all I plan on taking it. We do these first nine steps....And those promises materialize. If they don't....That may be cause to redo them. These are the lines that stand out for me.

Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery:

BB pg 59

The steps we took...Not the steps we take. While step 10 tells us....

Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

While it does say they continued to take daily inventory...There is no mention about redoing step 4 or any other of the first nine steps. My experience....If it said to do it I'd do it. The goal here for me is having a spiritual awakening...An entire psychic change. If I've had that...I've had the experience necessary to solve my problem. I do need to mantain it....And I do need to make progress with it. I simply do that practicing steps 10, 11 and 12 on a daily basis. I guess if something did crop up I left out of my fourth step....I could take care of it with step 10. No need to redo step four.

Step 12 tells us...

Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps

Having had.....I've had it. And I'll continue to maintain it. There is a line in chapter two they talk about going through this process...On page 25.

Almost none of us liked the self-searching, the leveling of our pride, the confession of shortcomings which the process requires for its successful consummation.

This line tells me three things.....

That not many people....Almost none of them... are real thrilled about doing this stuff....My take on it....It can be pretty damn painful taking an honest look at yourself.

It is required.

And there is a successful consummation. Defined....the point at which something is complete or finalized.



-- Edited by Stepchild on Saturday 26th of July 2014 01:26:14 PM

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I hear you, CK. Letting go of the past is never easy. It can either do one of two things: Create an environment of inclusion or foster an atmosphere of despair. It can even turn our greatest strengths into a giant mass of twisted emotions, so tread lightly, okay. I would try to marry the two together, A.A. and some other form of spiritual understanding, so you can experience the healing powers of forgiveness while maintaining the benefits of long term recovery. If you can, you're well on your way.      

Step 4 was a crash course in personal accountability, even though I still had my doubts. It felt more like an 'imaginary bogeyman' than a 'road map to redemption'. I felt overwhelmed, deflated and even guilt stricken by some of my private moments. I became so paralyzed, that I became unwilling to let them go. The tricky part, for me, was how to sidestep all those emotional landmines without feeling guilty. I reveled in it, immersed myself in it, and even became emotionally attached to it, just like I did alcohol. But I had to wipe the emotional slate clean before I could experience the powers of redemption. When I did, everything else fell into place just like it should.  

The ability to 'let go' enables you to side step those 'emotional booby traps' and focus all your energy on a solid sober based solution. Step 4 will take you through a series of guidelines that can help you deal with those unpleasant emotions. Those thoughts & feelings will finally be revealed, and you will clearly see the negative impact these emotions can bring. The remaining steps will help you evaluate your 'spiritual condition' and whether these emotions will bring continued happiness or more misery. Many therapies can help you change any unpleasant thought pattern that may still be living inside you. So exploring other alternatives may be beneficial as well. But as simple as it sounds, letting go of something is never cut and dry. We all have resistances to conquer. When you're finally able let go of all these underlying conditions, and the emotions that brought us so much unhappiness, then and only then can you replace these emotions with something positive. The remaining steps will do just that, guaranteed.

Let's face it: Who among us has not buried a part of our past, somewhere, somehow? It is something we've all done from time to time. The truth is; we all like to forget those crazy moments that makes us feel uneasy inside. It's just a part of our conditioned culture, that's all. If we suppress those feelings, however, they may come back to haunt us, and if we forget them entirely, they may cause another relapse. Step 4 is where we let go absolutely, and by doing so, we start to anew. I know it will happen for you. Onward.



-- Edited by Mr_David on Saturday 26th of July 2014 03:32:51 AM

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I think you'll find some useful info in this piece...This is something off a site called Barefoot's World. Lot of good AA material on that site. I really do believe that fear plays a major part in people's hesitation with this step. When they talk about...."At some of these we balked..." I'm guessing step four probably heads the list. It's nothing to fear really. I found it eye opening...The truth about the lie. I'd heard that before....And I think it's the best description of step 4 that I've seen. I think the most important tool I used with this step was prayer. The gentleman covers that in here. I know they cover it in the directions. 
 
 
4th Step Tips
by Mike L.
"Carry THIS Message" Group
West Orange, NJ

The following is a list of tips and tools that may be helpful when doing your 4th or assisting your protégés with Step 4:

  1. Keep It Simple!

     

  2. During early sobriety, I heard much negativity spoken about the 4th Step that scared me. No wonder why people are scared to do this vital step. Shouldn't we try to encourage new people to do this step, which will put them on the path to freedom, rather than discourage them from doing it by making negative comments and instilling fear in them? Just a thought.

     

  3. Emphasize the importance of writing the 4th Step inventory. There are a total of 17 references in the Big Book that suggest our 4th Step should be written. The word "written" is used 2 times (pages 70 & 75). The word "paper" is mentioned 3 times (pages 64, 68, & 69). Some form of the word "list" is given 10 times (pages 13, 64, 65, 66, 67 twice, 70 twice, & 76 twice). Page 67 says we placed our faults before us in black and white. And finally, page 65 gives an example of a written inventory.

    Gee, I guess it's pretty important that we instruct our protégés to WRITE their inventory, huh?

     

     

  4. Step 4 is the beginning of the treatment for our "spiritual malady", which is the root of our problem in Step 1. Other branches (symptoms) of Step 1 that stem from the root (spiritual malady) are the physical craving (which deals with the body) and the mental obsession (which deals with the mind). Page 64 says, "When the spiritual malady is overcome, we straighten out mentally and physically." Upon completion of Step 4, we are well on our way to carrying out the solution (described to us in Steps 2 & 3) to our problem (in Step 1).

     

  5. The Big Book instructs us to inventory three "common manifestations" of self-will: resentments, fears, and harms done to others (with emphasis on our sexual misconduct). (Remember, page 68 says we need an "overhauling" in the area of sex - not a minor tune-up! Honesty and thoroughness are key - the $19.95 Jiffy Lube Special won't fill the bill.)

     

  6. Resentment inventory is most easily done in columns, as illustrated on page 65 of the Big Book. Experience proves that a 4-column-inventory format is the best. Even though page 65 gives an example of three columns, the instructions for writing the 4th column of "faults and mistakes" where we see the truth of our behavior are found on page 67. The column format allows the protégés to see patterns more easily. Most people benefit from writing their columns vertically. We write inventory vertically, but read inventory (during Step 5) horizontally. (NOTE: I used to instruct my protégés to use the 4-column format for all the inventories. Having done many 4th Steps over the years, my experience has been that the column format is best suited for resentment and fear inventory.

    I now prefer writing sex/harms inventory by just answering the 9 questions found on page 69 in paragraphs. It has been easier and less restricting for me to do this part of the inventory in a horizontal "mini-essay" type format.) But beware: don't get caught up in technique and formats. When it comes to writing inventory, as Nike says, "JUST DO IT!"

     

     

  7. "Should I put my name in column 1?" is a question often asked by protégés when doing Step 4. There is much debated on this subject over what is the "right" or "wrong" answer. I don't debate this issue. Some people need to list themselves as part of their inventory, others don't. How do I know if a person needs to put his/her name on their resentment list? If I tell them "No, you can't!" or "You MUST put your name at the top of the list!" aren't I "playing God"? In the 3rd Step I made a decision to quit playing God. So, I don't tell protégés who they should or shouldn't list on their inventory.

    If I'm asked the question of "Should I list my name?" I ask the person, "Do you resent yourself?" If they say "yes" I then ask them "Why do you resent yourself?" Providing they can answer that question, I then tell them, "Well, I guess you should put yourself on the list because your first two columns are already complete. You're halfway finished. Why stop now!"

     

     

  8. There are actually four inventories we should be writing as part of the 4th Step: "Resentments", "Fears", "Sex", and "Harms to Others". There are some people on my inventory that I harmed but I didn't resent them, fear them, nor have a sexual relationship with them. So if I hadn't done a "Harms to Others" inventory as page 70 suggests ("We have listed the people we have hurt by our conduct, and are willing to straighten out the past if we can.") then I would have missed important truths that needed to be on my inventory and shared in Step 5. And besides, when we get to Step 8 page 76 says, "We have a list of all persons we have harmed and to whom we are willing to make amends. We made it when we took inventory."

     

  9. According to the Big Book, we do not write our "life story" in Step 4. It suggests we tell someone all our life story in Step 5 - NOT WRITE IT. As we're reading our 4th Step inventories to someone in Step 5, what we're actually doing is telling them our "life story". Looking back, my "life story" was as simple as this: Because of my selfishness and self-centeredness (the spiritual malady) I caused harms to other people. This caused me great fear. Because the fear became too intense for me to handle, ego caused me to "turn the tables" and become resentful toward those I had harmed, which made it look like others harmed me and I was innocent. This allowed me to block-out the harms I did to others and all I remembered were the resentments I had toward them. Most of my harms were caused within relationships. There's no wonder in my mind why this is true. What other "tools for living" do fearful and resentful people have? (No, suicide and homicide don't count! They're not "tools for living". They are "weapons of destruction"!) We do what we know best. So, I harmed others because of resentments, fears, and other defects stemming from selfishness and self-centeredness (spiritual malady). There! End of life story! Can I go home now?

     

  10. Avoid inventorying your "assets" in Step 4. Our assets never got us into trouble. Our defects block us from God's Power, not our assets. Many people over the years have confused the first sentence from the following quote on page 46 of the 12 & 12: "The sponsor probably points out that the newcomer has some assets which can be noted along with his liabilities. This tends to clear away morbidity and encourage balance. As soon as he begins to be more objective, the newcomer can fearlessly, rather than fearfully, look at his own defects." Somehow, we alkies, who are experts at interpretation, have turned that statement around to justify an "assets and liabilities checklist" for the 4th Step inventory. That may be a handy tool for Steps 6 & 7, but many alcoholics are dying because they never come face-to-face with the truth in Step 4. My sponsor has always insisted that I remember it was never my "assets" which got me drunk.

     

  11. Don't forget: Praying is a part (a big part!) of Step 4. The prayers in the 4th Step are just as important as the actual writing of the inventory. Chuck C. used to say that the Steps are about UNCOVERING, DISCOVERING, and DISCARDING. The writing of Step 4 helps us to uncover. The prayers help us to discover. Steps 5 through 9 enable us to discard.

     

  12. We write inventory to discover the TRUTH... about the LIE.
    (NOTE: You may need to meditate on that statement for a while before you really understand it. I had to. Of course, getting lots of experience by writing inventory helped me understand as well. Experience is the name of the game when it comes to working with others.)

    Step 4 helps us to discover truth by working from the outside, moving inward. In resentment inventory we discover that our troubles are not of someone else's making (columns 1, 2, 3); but instead, as mentioned on page 62, our troubles are of our own making (column 4). Quite often a protégés will discover that the first 3 columns of his/her inventory are based on a "lie" by the time they begin working on their 4th column. In inventory, I write about "who I am not" to discover "who I am".

     

     

  13. A thorough 4-column-inventory will give your protégés all the information they need for completing the rest of the "housing-cleaning" steps: He/she will use all four columns for Step 5. They'll use columns 3 & 4 for Steps 6 & 7. And column 1 will be used for Steps 8 & 9. So, if this is true, then you may not want to burn your inventory, as we are sometimes told to do by members of our fellowship. If you must discard your inventory (which is necessary for some people), then wait until you've completed Steps 5, 6, 7, and have made a separate and thorough list for Step 8.

    (NOTE: I am occasionally faced with the old "dog ate my homework" excuse from protégés who don't want to complete their 9th Step amends. So, be careful with the "burn your inventory" suggestion. Believe it or not, it's NOT in the Big Book.)

     

     

  14. Even though this is not mentioned specifically in the Big Book, by completing a searching, fearless, honest, and thorough inventory we are examining the 4 dimensions of our life: physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. (BUT only the fourth dimension, "spiritual", is rooted in Truth. But set that aside for a moment and read on...) Column 1 of resentment inventory deals with the physical - Who or what we're mad at. Column 2 deals with the mental - What we think they did to us. Column 3 deals with the emotional - What we felt when they supposedly wronged us. (Clarence S. used to say that alkies don't think, "THEY EMOTE!" which means we feel our way through life.)

    And finally, Column 4 rockets us into the spiritual dimension, revealing the "exact nature of our wrongs" - the truth about what really happened. It usually reveals to me how my faulty thinking caused me to take actions which got the "ball rolling" in the first place. With 99% percent of the resentments I see (both in myself and in those I work with) the first 3 columns can be turned into a lie when the truth of the fourth column is revealed.

    Consider this: Is it possible that the 4th column of inventory, which reveals to us the "truth", is the "fuel" that enables us to be rocketed into the "Fourth Dimension of Existence" that the Big Book describes on pages 8 & 25? This "Fourth Dimension" is later described on page 84 as the "World of the Spirit" as we begin to commence daily spiritual living with Steps 10 & 11. The "World of the Spirit" is a constant because Truth, which we first discover in the fourth column of Step 4, is a constant. Truth is always present at the core of our Being even when covered up (or blocked) by a lie.

     

     

  15. Show your prospect that inventory can be fun! Don't treat inventory as if you're going to a funeral. Treat it like your witnessing the birth of a new child... because you are! Of course Step 4 is a serious life and death matter; but it will be encouraging if you can show your protégés to have fun with inventory. And above all, "Keep It Simple!"
Remember: "IF IT AIN'T IN THE BIG BOOK, IT AIN'T!"
With Love & Service,
Mike L.,
"Carry THIS Message" Group
West Orange, NJ


-- Edited by Stepchild on Saturday 26th of July 2014 02:09:28 PM

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You Have found it here TLC . Welcome to MIP .

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1 check email  2 MIP 3 fb . MIP Is very important in my life Today . NO , it does not

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Welcome TLC....You can go to the top of the main page...Click on Start a New Topic and tell us about yourself. There is a way out...And we can help you with it.

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Stepchild wrote:
Pythonpappy wrote:

and if you don't think of everything now, that's okay, cause I found myself doing this step over several times in order to get it complete ... after 6 1/2 years sober, I still must do an occasional inventory just as it says in the book ...


You know Pappy....I love ya brother....But here I have to disagree with you. This is just my experience. I've only taken this step once...And that's all I plan on taking it. We do these first nine steps....And those promises materialize. If they don't....That may be cause to redo them. These are the lines that stand out for me.

Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery:

BB pg 59

The steps we took...Not the steps we take. While step 10 tells us....

Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

While it does say they continued to take daily inventory...There is no mention about redoing step 4 or any other of the first nine steps. My experience....If it said to do it I'd do it. The goal here for me is having a spiritual awakening...An entire psychic change. If I've had that...I've had the experience necessary to solve my problem. I do need to mantain it....And I do need to make progress with it. I simply do that practicing steps 10, 11 and 12 on a daily basis. I guess if something did crop up I left out of my fourth step....I could take care of it with step 10. No need to redo step four.

Step 12 tells us...

Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps

Having had.....I've had it. And I'll continue to maintain it. There is a line in chapter two they talk about going through this process...On page 25.

Almost none of us liked the self-searching, the leveling of our pride, the confession of shortcomings which the process requires for its successful consummation.

This line tells me three things.....

That not many people....Almost none of them... are real thrilled about doing this stuff....My take on it....It can be pretty damn painful taking an honest look at yourself.

It is required.

And there is a successful consummation. Defined....the point at which something is complete or finalized.



-- Edited by Stepchild on Saturday 26th of July 2014 01:26:14 PM


 Love you too brother ... just for the record, there ARE those of us that don't 'get it' the first time around ... I'm extremely hard-headed ... thought I could do this 'my way' ... SO ... I worked through the first 5 or 6 steps several times ... it wasn't a 'once and done' kinda deal for me ... 

 

after the last time coming in to stay, YES, the daily inventory is quite sufficient for me now ... The program doesn't work exactly the same for us all ... but it DOES work if we work it ...

 

God Bless,

Pappy 



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